Matt is part of The Hollywood Reporter’s 2024 Drama Actor Emmy roundtable, alongside Jon Hamm, David Oyelowo, Clive Owen, Callum Turner, and Nicholas Galitzine. Check out two outtakes and scans in our gallery, and their conversation below! There should be a video available soon, I will update this post when it’s released.
What was the funniest or strangest feedback you’ve gotten or read about yourself?
DAVID OYELOWO I once auditioned for a director, who, in the middle of the audition, said, “This isn’t working.” That was pretty bad.
JON HAMM But also, turns out it was working. And it remains working.
OYELOWO Yes.
HAMM In a similar vein, I had a head of this television network tell my representatives, actually, that Jon Hamm will never be a television star.
NICHOLAS GALITZINE How wrong they were.
MATT BOMER Name names.
GALITZINE Yeah, spill the tea.
HAMM He’s no longer at the head of that network.
BOMER I know exactly who it is.
OYELOWO Why, did they say the same thing to you?
BOMER Not far from it. (Laughter.)
Does a comment like that sink you or motivate you?
HAMM I think I heard about it much later in the history of things, because it was one of those things where I had auditioned for this person and this network over and over and over again, as one does, and for whatever reason didn’t get the part, and didn’t get the part, and didn’t get the part. It would always come down to the last two, me and the guy who’s going to get it. But it was one of those things. Steve Martin talks about it in his book, but auditioning is the worst. It just stinks, but that’s the only way we’ve got. And there’s so many variables that are completely out of your control, so the ability to let it go is an amazing point in one’s career. And then, of course, that’s when you don’t ever have to audition again.
CALLUM TURNER I like auditioning.
BOMER I do too.
GALITZINE You do not. Really?
CLIVE OWEN Do you?
HAMM God bless you.
OK, why do you like it?
TURNER Because you get into the room, and you get a feel for the director and the people you are going to work with.
HAMM But do you still do that? Everything’s on tape now, isn’t it?
TURNER Yeah, I just auditioned the other day for something; it was nice to go in and to play. There was a crossover for me. I hated auditioning, and then one day I realized that they want you to get the part. They’re on your side — they’re not going to waste their time with you for no reason.
OYELOWO I think it’s the stuff around it. It’s walking into a waiting room and seeing 10 versions of yourself.
And it’s often the same people that you’re auditioning against.
GALITZINE Yeah, over and over, “Good to see you again.”
OYELOWO And sometimes you have that terrible setup where you can hear everyone.
GALITZINE You go, “I should’ve done it like that!”
OYELOWO Or I think, “I’m going to go in there and everyone’s going to be listening to me.” And then it’s going home, and the self-loathing, and the anticipation, and the, “Did I get it? Did I not?” The waiting, and all of that. So, it’s the stuff around auditioning that can be really challenging.
Nicholas, your Idea of You co-star Anne Hathaway did say recently that you could have chemistry with a lamp, which could qualify as strange or funny feedback.
GALITZINE It’s true. I’ve been getting a lot of vibes.
TURNER I saw him earlier. The lamp was flickering.
GALITZINE Watch out, it’s very potent. (Laughs.) Honestly, that was an amazing audition experience where I had a very conducive room, and it makes all the difference. You come out of it with like this performance high.
TURNER Mm-hmm.
GALITZINE It’s less feedback, as much as it was the look of horror on the casting director’s face. But when I went into audition for young Tarzan, there were no lines, and I was told that I had to pretend that I had an orange that someone was trying to steal from me and I had to guard it. And you know when you don’t go for something entirely, and it just seems very feeble and pathetic and wrong? That is a moment that keeps me awake at night. I think about it a lot.
So, it was motivating for you?
GALITZINE You could say that.
HAMM You’ll never eat an orange again. (Laughter.)
OYELOWO But that chemistry thing is a real thing. If you get to do chemistry reads, which is something I do love doing because there’s an excitement as to, “Is this going to be the person I’m going to get to do this with?” But when it doesn’t work, when the chemistry isn’t there, oh my Lord. Because there’s an alchemy to it, and you can’t quite put your finger on why something works or it doesn’t, and you know within seconds.
And then you see these actresses again. Is that awkward?
OYELOWO Yeah. (Laughter.) I’m thinking of one experience in particular, and I’m not going to mention who it is, but it was so not the right fit. And you can feel it in the room, palpably, to a comedic degree, actually, to the point where it’s a coming-up-in-hives thing. I definitely had that with that experience.
OWEN It’s better to find out then than —
HAMM Week two.
OYELOWO Yeah, which is why you do it.
Looking back at your careers, what?felt, at the time, like the biggest risk?
OYELOWO I remember being at a time in my career where I just felt like I wasn’t being challenged enough. I went into my agency, I said this, then the next thing that hit my doormat was a film called Nightingale. It was just me, in a house, having killed my mother. Eighty pages with no one else. And that was as terrified as I’ve ever been, so be careful what you wish for. And, yeah, it was a risk, but it was definitely one that paid off.
TURNER And there’s no way that you can’t be scared, either. It’s such a vulnerable thing.
HAMM For sure.
TURNER Sometimes I’ve laid by myself and stared at my ceiling and thought, “What am I doing?” just before something’s about to come out.
BOMER Oh, yeah.
TURNER It’s real fear. It’s crippling. But then it’s also the thing that pushes you on, it’s the thing that makes you get back out there, because it’s thrilling at the same time. I just don’t want to be laughed at. That’s my fear, really.
It’s interesting to be able to identify what exactly the fear is. Can the rest of you do that?
BOMER Oh, I feel like I don’t want to let folks down.
GALITZINE Yeah, that’s a big one.
OWEN And it doesn’t matter how much you’ve done. Every time you go into a new thing, the potential to fail is hovering around — the potential to not actually do it as well as you hope you can, is always there. It never goes away.
Clive, early in your career, you were on a very popular television show, and at its height, you decided to pivot and take a role in a movie that, I believe, surprised people.
OWEN I got into acting because I wanted to play different parts. And very young, I landed this big TV show called Chancer, which got a lot of heat, and then I started to get offered a lot of stuff like that. Mainstream TV. And even at that very young age, I was very aware that I wanted a long career, but a career that was as varied as possible. And then this writer-director came to me with Close My Eyes, which was about an incestuous relationship with a brother and sister, very delicate, very beautifully written, and I remember at that time thinking, “It’s hugely important I do this because I just don’t want to follow this one thing.” That impetus has been with me ever since. And sometimes it can be a hugely scary, challenging thing, but the worst thing that can happen is you’ll be bad. I’ve been bad before. I’ll be bad again.
Does the team around you try to talk you out of these choices?
OWEN I have never listened to anybody else. Ultimately, you are the one who has to go to work every day. I do what I want to do because that’s what’s going to sustain me through it.
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